Three teens missing for over 40 years found at bottom of lake

UPDATE:  4/15/14 – Two South Dakota teens found in creek after 21 years positively identified.

UPDATE 9/25/13 –  Trooper George Hole told the Daily Elk Citian newspaper that the Camaro was running when it hit the water and the driver was driving “a little faster than he should have.” He says the impact damaged the radiator fan, a motor mount and the fuel pump.

UPDATE 9/21/13 – With the possible identities of the people in the two cars, we now know that one group went missing in April 1969 and the other in Nov. 1970.

UPDATE 9/19/13 – People who think they may be related to the remains found in both cars given DNA samples to the police.  Three of the bodies have been taken to the medical examiner on Thursday.  Authorities state that a positive identification could take from weeks to as long as a year.

Jimmy Allen Williams, 16, Leah Gail Johnson, 18, and Thomas Michael Rios, 18 (OK Police Dept)

A 1969 Chevrolet Camaro was found with three remains that are believed to  be the bodies of Jimmy Allen Williams, 16, Leah Gail Johnson, 18, and Thomas Michael Rios, 18.  They were reported missing in Nov. 20, 1970.


During a training session with new sonar equipment the Custer County Sheriff’s Department in Oklahoma came across skeletal remains in two different cars in Foss Lake.  Foss Lake is located between Elk City and Clinton, Okla.

 

Two rifles and a muddy wallet and purse have been found in one of the cars.  It is coming clearer that these two vehicles ended up in the water about a year apart from each other, and one theory from LEO is that the vehicles rolled back into the water and trapped the occupants inside.  It could be that the vehicles were found with their front ends facing the bank of the lake which would account for the conclusion they rolled back into the water.

UPDATE:  9/18/13 – Tim Porter of Enid said he believed the remains found in the 1950’s car could be those of his grandfather, John “Alvie” Albert Porter, who disappeared along with two other people in 1969. That car was found 50 feet from the end of the boat ramp.

See more updates throughout the article below with new photos:

Jimmy’s Camaro shortly after he bought it (Facebook)

 

Jimmy’s Camaro after pulled from lake (Facebook)

Shoe found in one of the cars (Facebook)

“In 1973, I worked for Beckham and Custer County as a state trooper, and I heard rumors that sometime in the early 60s there were two or three people in a car, and they were last seen in Canute,” Peoples  told the Elk City Daily News. “They were headed for Foss Lake and never seen again.”

Jimmy, who had a part time job at Harman’s Seventh Street Grocery Store.  On Nov. 20, 1970 he left his home in his Camaro that he had just bought six days earlier and told his parents he was going to a football game.  Just before he left he backed his car up to the back door and loaded up some shotguns in the trunk with the help of one of his younger brother’s.  It was later realized that Jimmy wasn’t going to the football game as he said but was going shooting with his two friends Leah and Tom.  Another one of Jimmy’s friends was going to go too, but changed his mind because he thought the car would be too crowded.  The three never returned home.

The other car, is a ’52 Chevy and after it was pulled out of the water an open door on the ’52 Chevy revealed human remains inside. it had three skeletal remains in it.  Sheriff Bruce Peoples believe that the remains may belong to a couple that went missing in the early 1960s, although he was not sure who the third person was.

Nora Duncan

UPDATE:  9/19/13 –  Clara Jo Irick was notified by authorities that her mother may be one of the people found in Foss Lake.  Nora Duncan went missing in  April 1969 from Canute, Oklahoma, and she may be on of the people in the 52 Chevy. Her family says she may have been with two other people at the time of her disappearance.   One was Alive Porter and the other, Cleburn Hammock.

“It will bring closure to me, for 40 some odd years I wondered what happened to her and I hoped with in my lifetime I would find out,” said Clara Jo Irick who was 39 when her mom went missing.

Alvie Porter may also be the other person in the 52 Chevy.

John “Alvie” Porter

The cars were found at the far south tip of the lake by the boat ramp by the marina about 12-feet down on Sept. 10, but authorities didn’t realize there were body’s in the cars until today.

Becky Jones posted on Facebook that Jimmy William’s aunt was married to her grandfather.

“Not only did she suffer her own loss of her nephew, but she watcher her sister suffer the loss of her son. Both passed away not knowing what happened to Jimmy.”

Police are asking for the public’s help in identifying who the other car may belong to that was found in the lake.

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57 Comments

  1. Both cars look remarkably undamaged. Looks as if they simply drove into the lake at high speed, maybe unfamiliar with the road, and the water impact probably knocked them unconscious, and they drowned, cars drifted out and sank. Over ten years, it's entirely plausible this could have happened twice.

    One thing for sure… There had better be shotguns found in the Camaro trunk…

  2. Almost every locality has one of them roads that tricks the eye. Some times it ends with hidden a cliff, or a quarry,..other times it just ends with a lake. Just a sad story.

  3. how can you say the camaro doesnt look damaged. the whole back end is twisted to almost a 90 degree angle. maybe drag racing and got hit?
    Still a shame, 3kids. At least they are found now.

  4. In my opinion it looks like the camaro's backend of the frame got seperated from the frontend while being pulled out of the water.

  5. So your concept is that they were drag racing, ( like on the boat ramp) a something came in from the left hit them broadside tearing the car in half and the Camaro ends up in the lake with perfectly straight front and rear bumpers and front and rear roll pans…….here's your sign!!!!

  6. What about a possible murder? If they went to a gun range, they could have encountered someone there that murdered them, drove their car/bodies into the lake to hide his deed, and went on his way. Serial killer have existed for years, and traveled around the country. We have all heard about this type of thing. I wonder if the bodys' conditions will be able to determine the cause of death or if they are too far gone to be of use.
    I guess it doesn't really matter. Most likely if this is the case, the murderer is dead or caught for something else by now anyway.

    witchypooy

  7. A 16 year old with a brand new Camaro? I bet they were seeing just how fast it could go, maybe came around a curve in the road, lost control and rolled…right into the lake. The top of the Camaro looks crushed…just a possibility. With forensics nowadays, I'm sure they will discover just what happened. RIP teens. They will be forever young..

  8. It looks like the headlights in the picture of the Camaro when it was new appear more oval shaped than the ones in the image of the Camaro pulled out of the water.

  9. The 69 Camaro is unique, it is the only year that had this front end design and is why it is one of the most prized to own. The one pulled from the lake is the same model year as the one in the picture.

  10. The Camaro on the first picture seems to have square-formed headlights, the one from the lake has circular heardlights. Besides i thing that the first one dont have the same ligst placed low in the front as the second one – but its hard to tell on such an old picture.

  11. Headlamps of that era were always round. If the photo shoes oval it is because the scanned digital image was distorted.

  12. To anonymous., I read an article on here that there was an anonymous tip back then that said they were probably in the lake. I wonder if that is indeed what happened and anonymous was a witness

  13. I noticed the differences in the 2 photos too..the grill isnt right either, as well as the head lights..I just hope they can do DNA testing to be sure they identify the kids properly..it just doesnt look like the same cars

  14. Could they have been racing? Sounds like they may have been out for something else with shotguns. Do cars that old have VIN#s? How long has the boat ramp been there?

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  17. Part 2 of 2 Harems in USA.

    The poverty are threaten to be by some harem people because the beautiful girls that came from poverty in to a harem place shall think and feel that she is in a paradise when she is in the harem, and the girls shall think they are lucky when they are in the harem compare to the people outside the harem. The women in the harem can not escape because it is impossible because of electric fends and much more. And the girls in the harem are done addicted to drugs and many of the criminal TV series and Hollywood films and documentary films are made because when the women in the harem see this they do not want to escape out to the poor criminal dangerous world outside the harem. The harem women are very sexy in look and when they are 50 year old many of them are not sexy anymore and then the mostly of the disappearing and nobody of the women in the harem know that hey get killed when they not are sexy anymore. New sexy girls get kidnapped in to the harem`s all the time. It has been huge harem periods before in history and it is not good for the world. No it is best to set the women frre and no more harems in the world. I heardthat maybe 90 % of the men that have sex in some of the harem dislike that women are locked in to harem`s so 90 % of the men that use some of the harem`s would like to set the women free and the properties that the harem are in free to the people in the world. Often are the most beautiful beaches and other beautiful places occupied by harem`s and camouflaged as huge top secret military places.

    I read that some thought that 80 % of CIA, FBI and police people in USA know about the harems and man of them own girls in some harem`s with kidnapped girls. I do not know if this is truth but when 500 000 people can dissapear every year in USA then it is strange that not CIA, FBI and police people stop this dissapearing. I read that CIA, FBI and police people in USA and others are threatened to keep quit about the harem`s. I do not know how they are threatened. When some of the harem people manage to threaten CNN to keep quit about that a airplane did not crash in to Pentagon and some of the harem people manage to threaten Pentagon that lost many people to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq after then it must be much the harem people threaten with. I read that on internett that some of the harem people threaten Pentagon to start the war. And Pentagon do not know about the harems and that the wars are created and started by the harem people because they then easy can kidnapp millions of beautiful poor women from refuge camps and take the girls over to USA by aeroplanes and submarines.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread347164/pg1

    http://www.mcatracing.co.uk/missing-people-worldwide.htm

    http://aboutfacts.net/People63.htm

  18. I'm sticking to my original thought. to me it appears to be a drag race gone wrong if you look at the video you could easily see how it could have happened. it was late November so it was cold so the windows would be up(Camaro windows are still in tacked) so when they hit the water there would have been no way out. just look at the road it would be very easy to think it was a road and not a dock if you didn't know the place. and there are only a little over a decade between the cars so I so can see how this could have been a drag race! Never the less my condolences go out to all 6 of there family's

  19. yes cars that old have VIN's but that's not to say they can read it. and to me I so have a gut feeling this was a case of drag racing gone wrong. a 16 year old kid with a brand new car another guy with and older. my newer its better than yours. Mine is older and made better than yours. fine lets race and see! Just guessing. but with everything that we have been given for evidence that seems to be the only logical conclusion. they were found in basically in the same spot just a few feet apart. this really doesn't seem to be much of a mystery to me. the only thing that has me puzzled is weather or not the guns were still in the truck.

  20. The cars didn't enter the water at the same time. The passengers in the older Chevy went missing in April of 1969 and the teens in the Camaro went missing in November of 1970. So they weren't drag racing each other!

  21. The cars didn't enter the Lake at the same time. The occupants of the older Chevy went missing in 1969 and the teens in the Camaro in 1970. There was over a years difference in the timing of their disappearance!

  22. It was suspected at the time of the teenagers disappearance that drug dealers operating out of a nearby airstrip may have killed them.

    The presence of the second car in the same place contributes to that theory. It's the perfect dumping ground. I find it extremely unlikely that anyone would drive into the lake on their own without anyone being able to break a window or get out.

  23. People thought back when the teenagers disappeared that they had come across drug dealers operating out of a nearby airstrip in a field. The presence of a second car from a year prior supports this theory.

    I find it extremely unlikely that both sets of people would drive into a lake like that without anyone getting out or even breaking a window. So this stinks of foul play if you ask me.

    Interestingly, it looks like the cops washed that shoe off in lake water. Uhm… goodbye DNA evidence anyone?

  24. Is it sure, that the picture really shows Jimmy Allen Williams with his car? Look at the difference between the spotlights. There's something wrong with them.

  25. The headlights and the wheels don't look the same to me on the Camero. I did read they found 2 guns in the Camero also. They stated it could take up to a year to identify the remains. That just blows me away with the technology of today. They did state that they have collected DNA from all family members who believe these are the remains of their loved ones so preying it won't take that long. These family have wondered way too long to what happen to their family members.

  26. The six sets of remains have been transferred to the state medical examiner’s office, which has said that positive identification could take months or even years.

    “It’s really far down the list,” said the SHERIFF. “They have homicides to investigate that are a lot more important than the DNA testing on car wrecks.”

    I can't imagine the families that have been waiting for answers long enough to read this disgusting comment.

  27. And that my friends is what a paranoid schizophrenic sounds like….

    Dude, get some help quickly. Also, find an “English as a second language” course at your local church before your mind implodes!

    You “harem” rant is the most ignorant 2 page comment I have ever read anywhere on any blog. If I didn't know better I would think you just escaped from the psyco ward.

  28. I find it strange that if these people fell to his vehicle on the surface of the lake, not rush to quickly get out of their cars when they are plunged into the water and swim out to the surface.

  29. I think its the angle the first picture is taken at that makes them look square because everything else looks identical.

  30. Does anyone else find it too much of a coincendence-2 cars, both Chevys, 3 occupants each-two males and a female??? Cars found 3 feet apart? Sounds like there was a disturbed individual who killed them and put cars in the water. It does seem strange none of the 6 could get out.

  31. I was wondering the same thing, especially if they knew they might have been in the lake! Something don't sound right here…..

  32. Facts? You're being far too generous. These are the sort of ravings you'd find on an angelfire homepage 😉

    As for the headlamps comments….how old are some of you people? ALL cars manufactured for the US market then had ROUND, sealed-beam headlamps. Rectangular lamps were introduced in the mid 1970s. I believe it was Ford that petitioned the government to permit the usage of the new shape (Consumer Reports posted an editorial from that time saying that the government should turn down the request). A relative of mine purchased a 1962 Mercedes Benz 220S in 1970, the car had been brought in from the German market-he spent a fortune replacing the unique, stacked headlamps of the Benz with American-market replacements.

    As for this story, it's truly American Gothic. What a strange and terrible fate these two groups of friends suffered, if they weren't victims of foul play, then it's just tragic and probably avoidable accidents that that took them all. May they rest, and their surviving relatives take something with them from this dreadful discovery. At least the “never knowing” part of their suffering may soon be over.

    On a lighter note, I see there's a Part 2 to the Harems in USA saga! Read on!

  33. The car's front ends were facing the boat ramp, so they either rolled back or were backed in to the lake. This indicates that it was not a case of the driver losing his way and simply driving into the lake. What gear were the vehicles in ? Neutral or Reverse?

    If it were me given the time period, and I were investigating I would try to determine the victims cause of death, if it can be after 40 years.
    And this is with all due respect to the victims and their families
    Why did the teenagers have the shotguns? Were they scared of something?
    Were the teenagers involved with something?

    The drug culture was hot and heavy during the 60's and 70's, even in Oklahoma. Along with illegal bootlegging operations. So I would want to know what was going on in Oklahoma in that area at that Time? What criminal operations were operating in the area, what investigations were going on during that time, and where there any notable drug or illegal alcohol bust occured during that time period and in that area.

    There were several criminal organization operating in Oklahoma during that time period, most notable was the Dixie Mafia- Could they be resposible.

    All the victims could have simply been in the wrong place at the wrong time and maybe they were victims of a serial killer, but the fact that the teenagers had shotguns in the car, at night I beleive, could give a good indication that there was something else in the works.

    And maybe not, maybe it was an accident, but it does seem suspicious given the circumstances.

  34. In 1970 in Oklahoma!? I lived there then and I don't recall any Miami Vice scripts making the rounds. I'm sure people theorized they went in the water even if there was no way to know at the time. Let us know when someone gets convicted by 40 yr old DNA that's been in the water continually since the “crime.”

  35. I remember seeing a show on ID Channel where there was a missing person and that they said that the car may have driven off of the landing because it was so dark out and even if they had stumbled on it accidently that it had a good chance of happening. I think that maybe in the more rural areas this may be true and that with especially teens, that foul play was not at play. If they were to panic and become disorientated they may not have thought to open a window but only hope that someone would come along and recue them which never happened. I just do not know how they never realized cars were in there at all. Hmmmm but, may they all rest in peace and may the families now be able to move forward knowing where their loved ones are.

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